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Wednesday, January 06, 2010

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James

Umm, take both the N1 and the iPhone into sunlight. Now which one pops? All technology has tradeoffs.

Not being able to see the screen while trying to take a picture outdoors during the day is a pretty brutal tradeoff for a screen that "pops" indoors in my opinion.

Scott

Agreed, the N1 screen does worse in sunlight than the iPhone. But I'll take the tradeoff, because most of the time I use my phone, I'm indoors.

Wysz

Re: "You can't use the web while you're on a phone call..."

I think this is a limitation of only having AT&T EDGE with your SIM card. If you connect to a WiFi network (or put in a T-Mobile card and get a 3G connection), then the phone is capable of browsing while on a call.

Ash

I've been an iPhone user since late 2007 and I have to say it will be pretty difficult to pry it out of my hand. Perhaps the N1 screen "pops" and has a couple neat gadgets but the iPhone is a work of art. Its well thought out in every aspect and comes from a company that takes user experience and design more seriously than anyone. I get that the N1 is new and everyone and their mother have the iPhone, but the N1 would have to be a phone that printed money for me to choose it over the iPhone.

I held a N1 in early December (last month) when a Google employee at a holiday party I as attending was showing it off. I wasn't impressed. I'm sure its a great phone but do you think Apple will sit on its laurels? Apple will continue to innovate.

Cheers!

Russ

I've had an iPhone since February 2007 and I can't wait to get rid of it. Notifications are completely unusable, which makes this "smartphone" look pretty stupid.

Jim F.

Dolphin is a great browser. On my Hero, it does have pinch, but I seldom use it, as I find that the browser almost always gives me the size I want (based on column size).

Sprint has visual voicemail which works well, but I'd like to try GV someday (still on a waiting list).

Renee also got a Hero which she loves, especially after her not-so-pleasant iPhone experience (you mean, you actually want to make *phone calls* and get POP mail and not have the phone freeze twice a week?), though the complexity of the Android interface was a bit of a problem in the first few weeks.

The quality (and, of course, quantity) of apps isn't there yet for Android, but there are some really fun and useful apps in the Market.

I have a million more comments about Android, but this is not the place...

Howard

Is it just me or is the Nexus One a smaller version of the HTC HD2 but without multi-touch?

Rob

How's the music and video on the Nexus One?

Scott

@Wysz True, I was comparing on-network features. You can use data + voice if you're on wifi.

@Ash Of course Apple will keep innovating, as will Google and the other companies making Android phones. I'm not sure I could convince an iPhone lover to switch to Nexus One -- including myself :) . But it's the first phone I've seen that I can reasonably compare to an iPhone.

@Rob Music and video are inferior to iPhone. I'll write more about that in a later post.

Joe

I think the "can't use data and voice" is a limitation of the 2G EDGE network and not the device. The 3G technology used by AT&T and T-Mobile allows concurrent data and voice.

S. Casey

I have to say (after reading all the comments above) that I love my iPhone and that I find it a really reliable piece of equipment that I think it would be tough to replace when it comes to quality, performance, and design. The comments above sound a lot like high schoolers with overblown hormones on a first actual date with their fantasy girl. The true quality/ability of the N1 will ACTUALLY be born out through a first year or so of actual use, meanwhile Apple will most likely come out with yet another iPhone in the interim (this summer?). What I really like about the iPhone is it's extremely well thought out design and user interface. The phone is sleek with an elegant user interface, and consistently dependable and pretty durable as well (all in my experience, of course). Sure, there are things that can be improved upon, but I think Apple has proven that they listen and pay attention and care about their products and the user experience. They are a Great Company with Great products. Their users are not generally walking around looking for the 'next best' thing and in fact Apple produces products that inspire the (computer/electronics) industry to greater heights. The N1 has come out Because of the awesomeness of the iPhone itself and Because of Apple's genius, so like with any other new product on the market there is a little dazzle connected to something new, but that momentary interest will further assist in spurring on the next innovative design from our friends over at Apple. Viva Capitalism! Thanks for your attempts HTC N1. You've given the market a little juicy kick. Now I'm Really looking forward to the next gen. iPhone!! :)

Jordan

How often do I really use data services while on a phone call? Occasionally, but not enough to justify sticking with the iPhone and all the things that suck about it. I'll take multitasking any day over data while talking, and for a phone that is "the phone of all phones", Apple hasn't given a good enough reason as to why the iPhone can't multitask. Other phones can and their batteries don't suffer greatly.

I think the biggest +1 for me about the Nexus One is that it isn't tied to iTunes.

Dion

I love the iPhone haters! The N1 has the features it has b/c of the iPhone. Plus, the N1 should have more features and improve on others since Google has been working on it for 2 years and trying to mimic the iPhone (like everyone else). Just wait until the next gen iPhone comes out. It'll make the N1 look like a Fisher Price phone. I'm also sick of hearing about multitasking. The only time it's a big deal for me is with apps like Pandora that require constant internet access. Otherwise, Apple's push notification system works great for IM apps and other apps that I need instant notifications. The N1 can achieve multitasking b/c it has the latest and greatest snapdragon processor and more internal memory. I'm certain the next iPhone will capitalize on the newest techs and one-up anything that's currently out. So to all of the haters, you need to thank Apple for originally introducing the iPhone and raising the bar for innovation and technology. You can't hate on that!

Geddy

@ S. Casey. Get Steve Jobs' shaft shaft out of you ass.

And yes their user are generally looking around for the next big thing, you said it yourself. "Now I'm Really looking forward to the next gen. iPhone!! :)"

Really can anyone give an objective view, and not be so fanboyish. GEEEZE. I own an mac, and my ipods, I'v use the iphone on several occasions as well. I like i really do. And am very impressed. But hardware wise the N1 beats the 3gs. Software is another is issue. In time we will see how things pan out and whether or not google can establish itself as with very solid mobile os that can reasonably compare to the iphone os. Just as apple has had years to polish its OS, so will google.

With the N1, if google chooses to adopt the model that apple has in regards to developing the iphone, and pushing out a new model every year. They will be forced to push the envelope regard UI design and all that stuff, regardless of how many phones other manufacturers are using their OS. Because most of the other phones will have an overlay, such as the Sense UI, or MOTO BLUR. But if google puts a lot of their focus on the N1, then the market may see something different overtime.

But to say the iPhone is the end all be all of phones is ridiculous. I mean really look how long it took apple just to implement copy and paste into the phone, THE THIRD VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE. So really, tell me, are things really that well thought out. No.

And the N1 is not being pegged as the iPhone killer, as time has taught us. YOU CAN"T KILL THE IPHONE.
However, you can provide ample competition, and thats what the N1 will do, as should future android phones.

Apple will innovate especially with the upcoming iPhone, and so will google with their future releases, whether they be unbranded or from another manufacturer. If anything this is great for consumers. This competition will gives us everything we want out of our phones.

But at least stop with the fanboyism. It's disgusting.

Sky

I think it is great that there is finally a company that can produce products that actually can compare with Apple. An Apple-Google competition, not based on monopoly power, but on innovation, will be great for consumers.

Geddy

By the way. I own a palm treo 755. In case you were wondering.

Kevin

Does no one jailbreak their iPhone? With jailbreak, you can run simultaneous apps, customize to your heart's content, and so on. If you're smart enough with it, it doesn't hurt battery life that bad either.

I bought the Eris for my wife so I could play with an Android phone. I like it, but it is still not polished. I can hand my iPhone to my 8 year old and she can use the phone for a lot of it's functionality. The Android phone isn't as user friendly.

At the end of the day, if one company rules the world, I would want it to be Google or Apple so I'm tickled with both of these companies and what they are producing for consumers. For now though, iPhone still wins in my opinion but Apple does have significantly more pressure on themselves to continue their improvements. In the end, we all win.

Scott

@sky I think so too, although both Apple and Google are pretty good at innovating all the time.

J Davila

All in all, I haven't had the chance to get my hands on the Nexus One, but I bet the hardware (due to specs) is nothing less than great.

I admit to be an iPhone lover, but also have to admit that I love technology by herself.

If the N1 has all the power from a faster processor, more RAM and tons of other hardware features, then is a great piece of hardware, on the other hand I have only seen some crippled videos of the software functionality that probably wont do justice to it, so until I can really experience the N1 by myself I can only say that I love my iPhone, but would also love to try the N1 out.

Competition is what brings the most innovative solutions and products faster to consumers, so this has to be good for all of us.

In the end, wether I continue to be a die-hard iPhone lover, or give myself into the N1, that is something only time and experience on the phone can tell.

The only thing that is kind of worrying for me is the fact that the set of 3G frequencies the N1 use are not available on the network I use :0(

Chuck

A very balanced review of a first few days use of an N1.

I don't think the N1 is, in that awful over-used tech press phrase, an "iphone killer", but it is the first meaningful competition. Good. That'll keep Apple honest and that needs doing.

I agree with Kevin that most of the shortcomings of the iphone go away once you jailbreak it. blackra1n is your friend :)

I do like the money-back thing on the android app store; I've bought a few clunkers for the iphone, which fortunately were very cheap mistakes...

I will be interested to see what you decide to do at the end of 90 days....

Wesley

The N1 looks interesting to be sure, and it would be in the running for a phone I would consider to replace my iPhone. Make no mistake that I love my iPhone to death; but I am not all that enthused about AT&T as my carrier. While unlocking is an option it isn't always feasible depending on your model iPhone or baseband version.

With that said the thing about Tmobile that is attractive is their cost vs. the cost of AT&T. Not only is their rate plan better, what you get for the price is better to. I have considered switching in the past but am unwilling thus far to give up my iPhone; but at this rate if a phone has a close approximation of the functionality of an iPhone I would jump ship and go over to Tmobile.

Mohd Nureddin

I've a 16 month old whose favorite pastime is browsing photos on my iPhone. Like a true pro. The other day she got hold of someone's another-smart-phone. Poor thing tried to pinch around to no avail. I'm no Apple crazy user but when it comes to intuitiveness of the username, one must give it to Apple.

Aaron

For me it's not the phone, I'm really curious about the network. ATT got killed by all the iPhones and when I went to the local ATT store, they admitted that for every 2 phones sold, 1 is an iPhone. Subtracting all of the jail breakers, wifi Skypers, etc, that is a tremendous amount of traffic for any current wireless network. So much so that ATT itself has recently gone to the FCC and advised them that landlines should be phased out and wireless networks be encouraged with legislation and governmental financial burden.

Currently by far, the largest amount of traffic on any wireless network is ATT due to the iPhone. If the N1 and other smart phones hit other networks as hard I will be very curious to see how their networks hold up. I have my doubts, but if any of them do better than ATT, (unless Apple releases an iPhone for another network), I will definitely consider switching to a smart phone like the N1 or other if it has similar features.

I've been an iPhone user for a while, my family currently has 1 3Gs and 1 1st gen. I also have a MacBook Pro, an Airport and other assorted Apple equipment around the house. They have all been very reliable for us.

But for me the killer app for the smart phone is not something that I'll find in the App Store. It's the carrier. Thank you Apple for pushing the boundaries of the smart phone so much, I now rely on it for my work as well as pleasure. But since it's such a part of my life now, I need better carrier service.

Shane

I love my 3gs and when the new iPhone hits this summer it's going to blow the n1 out of the water. The biggest thing for me is the money I have invested into iTunes and the app store. I'd be throwing it all away if I were to switch.

James

How does the Android Facebook app compare to Facebook on the iPhone? I haven't seen a better app than the one on the iPhone yet.

The Android media player looks very dated. How does it stack up to the iPhone.

The lack of multi-touch is a deal breaker for me. How can game developers innovate without this?

Just a few things that would keep me from switching. Yes, the hardware specs are impressive, but Apple will match them this June/July.

hank

@shane When you take out the sim card like I do, you still have a wifi enabled itouch. So you dont really lose what you put into it. You just can no longer use it as a phone and need wifi for any apps that need internet access. If you have games, etc, they will continue to work. So I really didnt lose anything. all the apps i use, pandora, bank of america, etc are all on the nexus. It's not as dire as you portray it.

Randy

@Ash I am an Apple fanboy, but Google Voice made me choose a Droid. I am as hooked on GV as I am on my Mac. And now, after going Android, I am very happily an Android user.

Randy

@James There are alternative media players for Android that are quite nice. MixZing for music. Act1 for movies.

Android has multi-touch. Or am I missing something?

Frank Gilroy

I'm really looking forward to the increased competition the N1 will bring to the iPhone. I predict, for example, that the iPhone will have mutli-tasking within 6-18 months (this summer or next if they stay on their current release cycle) and I think that's a great thing. I'd also love to see the native voice input. I use my Dragon App in the car all the time for text messaging and it'll be nice not to have to switch apps. Apple no doubt threw the gauntlet down with the iPhone and I'm glad to see somebody is finally picking it up in ernest.

Chris

Maybe you can answer this for me since you seem to be taking a fair look, how do I reply to a Gmail message without having to scroll all the way to the bottom of the message? I am ready to throw my Nexus One through a wall every time I receive another email in the chain because it means excessive scrolling to the bottom just to hit "Reply."

Scott

@Chris There's a Reply and Reply All button at the bottom of each message in the thread, or to get all the way to the bottom, one quick swipe is usually enough to scroll all the way to the end. You can also show/hide messages in the thread by tapping the sender's name.

Chris

@Scott - That's too bad that's the answer. How can they think to put those buttons in a hovering div on their mobile browser version but not the integrated phone version? What a huge oversight.

Bcpk

I'm aware that this is a shill (I find the notion that you can type faster on a non-multitouch keyboard pretty unlikely, snapdragon notwithstanding) but there is some good stuff here nonetheless. Thanks for the informative post.

Darius_bd

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Hi, got a question, does the N1 has video-out and/or fm transmission? looking at the hardware it seems so but I don't now if the OS does it. thanks!

Scott

@Bcpk I'm glad you found this useful, but sorry you think I'm a shill. As for typing speed, I stand by what I said, which is that I'm faster now on N1 than I am on my iPhone 3GS. Wanna race? ;-)

Rich

The iPhone version 1 sucked, that's what my nephew said, there was no app store, it was iTunes, he had lots of dropped phone calls and the battery was awful.

Let's compare apples with apples people, Version 1 of the google phone is pretty god, not perfect, just like the iPhone wasn't in version 1.

I like my iPhone but tell me how useful a smartphone is it when you pretty much have to have it plugged in to make sure your battery doesn't die after an hour's use?

People who say the google app store sucks, well it's at least pretty open and there will be thousands of apps soon enough because developers can make money from it, simple.

Steve

@Rich, this isn't Google's "Version 1" phone, the Google G1 was first - I think it had a different name in the US. In terms of innovation the G1 had a magnetic compass way before the iPhone. This laid a path to some pretty cool apps, like Google Street View which needs to know which direction you are facing as well as where you are, with GPS.

The Google apps integration in Android is great - simply enter your Google login credentials and mail, calendar and contacts all just work and are instantly sync'ed between phone and desktop.

You might have guessed, I have a G1, I could have got an iPhone but buying Apple products is against my religion ;-). The biggest bonus with the G1 is the 'real' keyboard which makes typing fast and accurate. Sadly, the N1 doesn't have this feature, so I would struggle with my "sausage fingers". The biggest problem with the G1 is it's CPU is underpowered and it's lacking in RAM and flash memory (for apps) - the N1 fixes all of these problems.

Regarding the Android Market (app store) - there are already thousands of apps, many developers have chosen to implement their apps on iPhone and Android because it gives them a bigger market!!!

Catalin

I just sold my iPhone 3GS and ordered a Nexus One. I owned 5 Iphones (3 first gen, 1 3G, 1 3GS). I have to say iPhone is a great phone and until the Nexus One it was the best phone, but I always hated the way Apple was constraining/enforcing things. Can't play all video formats, can't use my phone as a data storage, can't just copy mp3 files to my phone in Windows Explorer and play them. Can't develop my own software for iPhone unless I own a Mac ! Why should Apple decide for me ? I always dreamed at the day a phone could really compete with the iPhone and let me do what I want. And that day has come ! I am sure that the Nexus One is not as polished as the iPhone, but there will be countless updates and applications...can't wait the next few months !

Bcpk

@Scott, I would race you if I were an iPhone exponent. However, I may take you up on the offer when I get a Nexus One with a Euro-multitouch ported ROM ;)

Sadly, I feel I would be left in the dust on my current, pink, RAZR.

Rich

I like the look of the Nexus one, the N1 I totally forgot about :)

I stand by what I said the iPhone and Apple love in I think blinds a lot of people into seeing clearly, what will Google's version 3GS be, or in other words version 3 of their phone in 3 years because it's take the iPhone that long before it's been a great smartphone. Yes, I have iPhone 3GS, but I don't like how Apple is closing its doors to others who don't abide by their rules.

Apple is going to make the same mistakes Sony did with the VHS vs. Betamax and Apple vs. Intel arguement. When you decide to close off your hardware and not license it out to others to produce in bigger numbers eventually people move to other platforms.

If Apple had gone with Intel technology to start I don't know if Microsoft would be that big right now.

Ural

Tether the phone and yes you can listen to music or watch a video on the Nexus while talking on the phone and surfing the web. Try it! you will never go back.

Sam

"How does the Android Facebook app compare to Facebook on the iPhone? I haven't seen a better app than the one on the iPhone yet."

Not having used the iPhone's, I can't comment. However, the integration of FaceBook into Android 2.x is wonderful for my contacts.The auto syncing means I always have pics of my contacts that are also on FaceBook, and can easily get to their FB page from my contact list.

"The Android media player looks very dated. How does it stack up to the iPhone."

I prefer to use actual media players for media. Using media players on smart phones is a colossal waste of battery life. We have iPods/Zunes/Etc. for media playback on the go.

"The lack of multi-touch is a deal breaker for me. How can game developers innovate without this?"

Playing games on a smart phone is also a colossal waste of battery life. Get a DSi or a PSP to play games on the go.

As for multi-touch... while I'm sure it's a nice feature, I don't think it should be a deal breaker for people looking at phones.

But, for people who really like to view pics on their phones, the auto-syncing of Android 2.1 to your Google account's Picasa web account is actually pretty awesome.

"Just a few things that would keep me from switching. Yes, the hardware specs are impressive, but Apple will match them this June/July."

And I avoid the iPhone like the plague, mainly because of AT&T (they screwed me over a few years back and I will NEVER do any sort of business with them again).

Even if the iPhone becomes multi-carrier, I will not really go to it right now, though. I am a Mac user, but I am also an avid user and supporter of Google Voice... and the integration of Google Voice into Android 2.1 is phenomenal. Without a usable official GV app on the iPhone, that's a deal breaker for me.

And, personally, I think not having easy use of Google Voice in the way I want to use it on a phone is a much better reason to be a deal breaker than the lack of multi-touch activated out of the box.

Sam

"I'm aware that this is a shill (I find the notion that you can type faster on a non-multitouch keyboard pretty unlikely, snapdragon notwithstanding) but there is some good stuff here nonetheless. Thanks for the informative post."

I type very fast now that the autofinish is enabled. 99% of the time the word I want to type is ther ein the first 3 letters, so just hit the space bar/punctuation and it autocompletes. It's quite fast.

soh

Good review - I am an iPhone user in UK - coming out of contract in a month - I am going to go for the Nexus as the link with gmail etc is just what I want. The App store is fine in theory but how many do you actually use? I have downloaded over a hundred but actually use about 8 on a regular basis.

tim Morrison

What alternative keyboards are suggested?
6ft6 guys with thumb's that about cover the keyboard are challenging!
Betterkeyboards doesn't cut it!
Thanks

Izzy

i believe that the iphone(proud owner of a 3gs) is for the everyday user and the geek whereas the android phones up till now have only had an appeal to geeks and technologically sound people whereas the iphone can be used by any one that has the money to buy it i have had th chance to use a nexus one but compared to my 3gs(jailbroken) it doesnt have a chance if you really think about it all of these perks of android like multitask and open source are acheieved with a simple jailbreak that any1 can do makes iphone faster and capable of doing all the things any of these phones can

paulcb

Any updates on your Nexus/iPhone comparison? TIA.

Number6

The interesting thing with the Nexus one for me is that, unlike the iphone, it has a learning curve. As I learn all the things I can do and all the great apps created by people who didn't have to have their apps approved, I have fallen in love with it.

However, I believe I am in the minority. I don't think most people want a learning curve, even if it comes with greater customization or power. They want an easy experience, even if it is the experience Steve Jobs chooses rather than the one you would create yourself.

What I think is funny, is how angry people get becouse some may prefer that ease of use that Apple has a great track record of providing. Or for that matter, getting angry at those who choose to stray off of Job's walled garden.

We're just seeking different things.

If you want to pick up an intuitive smart phone that does everything it claims to do (even if not everything you want) and does it well and with style - get an iphone.

If you want to get a device that will take some learning, some customization but will then do the things you want as you want them - get the nexus one.

And when either company, or someone else, comes up with a better product take a look. Don't let either think they can take your sale for granted.

mr2

Really, no learning curve for the iPhone? There is one but it is small and they helped a lot with their ads and videos.

And come now, not wanting to use an all-in-one phone for video, games and media? Serious? What, just for email, web and voice?

I used the iPhone 3GS and just got a Nexus One. It's a good phone but it does have some shortcomings (the facebook contact integration is nice, the facebook app is balls; google integration is nice - unless you use google apps and a normal google account in which case there are 'quirks' aka problems; the media player is just bad, switching windows and opening new windows on the web browser is slower from a UI perspective than the iPhone, the actual load time for pages is much faster; the online store doesn't have any paid apps showing up (WTF?)).

Good and bad. Speed and geek appeal but hunks missing and less polished. It's the linux of smartphones.

raist

I got a Nexus One 3 days ago, and I've had an iPhone since the first week of December 2009. I loved the iPhone since I got it, then when I got the Nexus One, I've been using it since then. I have to say that I haven't missed my iPhone for my daily regular usage. The only time I reach out for my iPhone is to play games and run some apps that aren't available on Android yet. Just my 2 cents.

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